The Garden Fresh Podcast

20. Chris Royer - The Rhythms of Climbing: Music, Adventure and Personal Evolution

Mason Gardner

Imagine standing at the edge of a cliff, your heart pounding, as you prepare to scale the heights. This adrenaline-fueled experience is what rock climber Chris Royer and Mason discuss as they take us through a thrilling journey of climbing, music, culture and personal growth. We get a glimpse into Chris's humble beginnings scrambling trees and bouldering in the Rocky Mountains, to mastering rope rigging and the exhilarating experience of reaching the summit of the Conchy Stronghold in Arizona. Infused with tales of exploration and the passion that fuels them, this conversation is a testament to the joy of achievement and the freedom that climbing offers.

But there's more to this story than just climbing. Chris and Wyatt also delve into their personal experiences with music, examining its impact on personal expression and cultural understanding. From touring bands to exploring different genres and subcultures, they reveal how these experiences have shaped their worldview and interactions. Their conversations will inspire you to embrace your own passions, step out of your comfort zone and seek out new experiences, finding joy even in mundane tasks.

As the conversation unfolds, we take a deep dive into complex topics such as gender dynamics, safety concerns, and parenting decisions. Our guests share their thoughts on raising a daughter in today's world, emphasizing the importance of awareness, respect for others' boundaries and standing up for women's rights. We also manage to squeeze in a bit of light-hearted banter about wedding planning, time travel, and the dream of being the first person on the moon. So whether you're an avid climber, a music enthusiast, or simply someone who enjoys insightful conversations, there's something in here for you. Tune in and join us on this captivating journey.

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Speaker 1:

No to glory holes. I think no to glory holes, no to glory holes.

Speaker 3:

Hey, look at us, we're back with the Garden Fresh podcast. It's been a little bit I don't even know the last time we put one out month or two ago. Take a little break, some mental, what was it called when you take?

Speaker 1:

Sabatical.

Speaker 3:

No, you ask off work. You tell your boss I need a mental health. Today we took a mental health month. Hey look, we're back and on today's episode we got our boy Chris Royer rock climbing. Extraordinaire, extraordinaire of many things. Hopefully we get into that. One is growing his hair out.

Speaker 1:

I'm pretty good at that.

Speaker 3:

Two, we got Wyatt Bean in the house. Say what's up Wyatt, what's up man?

Speaker 4:

It's been a minute.

Speaker 3:

All right, we're back. I'm glad to be back, man. It feels good to be back in this casting couch.

Speaker 1:

Chris, I've seen you in fucking a year it's been a minute, man, I think.

Speaker 3:

We shot undammed.

Speaker 1:

We're out there sweating on the rock on undammed.

Speaker 3:

I don't even remember when that was like 21.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I feel like it was about. I think it was like April, June was, when that was, because I remember it rained before 22.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, 21. 21, yeah, it was 21. Damn. So a year and some days, some months Change. Fuck, yeah. So what we're talking about? There is a Buffalo River documentary shot called Undammed. Chris Royer was cast to do the climbing portion of that and, yeah, boy was on the wall filming some of that. Yeah, it was a fun day.

Speaker 1:

It was a hot day. Yeah, it was steamy, that's what I remember is just really steamy that day, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Anyways, chris, just to get into it, I mean I guess we can jump into the climbing portion. I feel like that's where your expert teas lie. I say that I mean I feel like you're an expert at a lot of different shit. Are you dabbling a lot of shit, at least?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I like to keep my life pretty flavored yeah.

Speaker 3:

So let's just give them some backstory. I met Chris in 2018. We were Chris, mark and Gage were doing a t-shirt company called Borderline Y'all probably heard me talk about that, mm-hmm. Y'all brought me in to do like social media stuff, I guess.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and pictures, and pictures. That's what it was. Yeah, good photographer man.

Speaker 3:

And thank you. I think I mean you kind of hit it off from the beginning.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, definitely, and you were Soul vibes, you know.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we just like Chris was doing all of the had done all of the fucking designs for Borderline at that point, Mm-hmm, and it was kind of a fucking at that. It was teetering on rockin' and rollin' right there when I met y'all.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, we were definitely up and up at that point.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

We were bustin' on a lot of designs and we were like doing a lot of events and like pop-up sales and stuff like that, collaborating with different local businesses and businesses all across Arkansas at that point.

Speaker 3:

Yeah well, y'all just got into hibits when I started.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, we just signed on to a good contract with Hibits Sports at that point where they picked us up and put us in Good deal. It's like stores all across Midwestern United States, like Southwestern United States, all the way to Utah, I think.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's like the furthest store. When I started with y'all, I mean, I was fucking excited about that. Anyways, at that point, me and you and the rest of the crew took a trip.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we went out west man.

Speaker 3:

Well, so we went to Florida first.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, the fishing trip, that's right, that was where we got legit close. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3:

But then the next year we went out west and that's kind of your. I guess your start when you're like really yeah, man, that's like. Decided to start climbing.

Speaker 1:

That's where I really fell in love with the idea of focusing on climbing a lot more than I've climbed in the past. I've always had the aptitude to climb things like trees and stuff, like as a kid and all that stuff, and I had started bouldering around on. We went to Colorado before that trip I started bouldering by myself but I didn't really know anything about it other than classic movies and 80s like the freaking Mission Impossible where you see Tom Cruise's supposedly soloing out there in Indian Creek.

Speaker 3:

Did you have any gear at that point?

Speaker 1:

No, I had no gear. I was soloing in Nike SB's and stuff like that. These vans will work or wear in conners and stuff like that.

Speaker 1:

And then finally some dude had seen a picture of me messing around on some rocks and was like, hey man, I did this solo on, like Goat Bluff, big Bluff Trail, on Goat Pluff, the big panoramic view. I did this little solo up the side of the bluff there and some guy was like, hey man, I'm gonna go rock climbing. You wanna go link up? I can pick you up. That was.

Speaker 3:

You did that with Mark, right? Yeah, man.

Speaker 1:

So I think I saw that for the same picture, yeah me and Mark were out there hiking and then he was just like I was looking around and I was like man, I could down, climb and get to the bottom of this bluff and then climb all the way back to the top of it, and it was just like it didn't seem so wild at the time but, looking back at it, it was pretty bonanza for me?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, especially not having the gear. Like right now, I don't really trust that rock.

Speaker 1:

I've had a kid since then, so I don't really get so that much, other than when I really need to think about some stuff or not think about some stuff. But anyways, this guy picked me up and he was like, hey, let's go climb somewhere at Sam's Throne. I was like, okay, cool. And he like shares up in this Dodge Sprinter classic. Like oh, this guy is like a dirt bag, like he lives in this van and he's got all this gear and stuff and we get to Sam's Throne and he's like hey man you got your stuff, everything you need your shoes, your harness.

Speaker 1:

You have your Springer and Draws. I was like dude, what are you talking about? I have nothing.

Speaker 3:

I don't even know what the words are saying right now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he was just like, do you have stuff? And I was like no man. He's like, well, I think I have some extra climbing shoes for you and I've got this harness and stuff and I can teach you how to belay, like a little quick, little crash course. And we were at this spot called Cave Creek and it was this classic rock, this climbing route called Brick Attack, and he was like teaching me how to belay and I had no idea like what this place was all about and it was just like the most insane steep climbing I've ever been experienced and I was like these guys are making it and I was like this is insane and I just really fell in love with the idea of like what a person can do on a rock with a rope, let alone without a rope.

Speaker 1:

So I was just like at that point I was going out more, I was seeking out more people to climb with and learn from, and ultimately I just took the knowledge that he had like bestowed upon me at that point and went home and like learned how to like top rope solo and like really learn the rigging of the ropes, and then started going, repelling more and just going on different climbing trips. I started going, I went to Hortue Hill and really experienced that as well, and it was just like holy shit, there's a lot of climbing around me and it's just this different game that I didn't realize was there until somebody was just like oh, here's the sport. Yeah, like I had this like built concept of what it was. I thought it was really like punk and like I'm going to climb these rocks and like if I fall I get hurt or whatever.

Speaker 3:

But yeah, I think what we met I had been repelling. Yeah, yeah. And with my brothers we went to. I have no fucking clue where it's at, but Conchy.

Speaker 1:

The stronghold.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we went out there. That was an epic trip.

Speaker 1:

I love that place.

Speaker 3:

That was a spiritual moment for us.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like for me anyways, it was just like a mix of like scrambling and soloing just to get to the top of the mountain to try to find these routes that I had like seen on Mountain Project. And then it was just like we ended up just like summoning at the top and being like holy crap and everybody else was like way down at the bottom looking for us and stuff. It was nice.

Speaker 3:

Where are we all at Arizona? Yeah, what should we search?

Speaker 1:

It's. It's spelled like conchice, like C O N C H? I S E stronghold yeah dude. It's amazing. It's like these weird granite spires just in the middle of the desert.

Speaker 3:

The rock is granite right. Yeah, but it's the rock. It is like raw granite. So, if you place your hand on this shit, why it like cuts your ass.

Speaker 1:

It's just like it's pretty.

Speaker 3:

I don't even know how to explain it. It's like fucking a cluster of diamonds.

Speaker 1:

If they made 10 grit sandpaper, that's what the? Surface of this is.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, the stronghold photo Dude me and Chris and Kelsey started. Kelsey didn't finish.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, she didn't finish, she kind of like peered off. We just like I saw this like little line, like where I can scramble up, and I was just like, yeah, man, we can get up here and check this spot out.

Speaker 3:

Dude just kept like pretty sure we could see Mexico from there. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4:

It was like on the fucking border.

Speaker 3:

But honestly I don't think I even told her this, but I felt like shouldn't have let her go down by herself because me and her were helping each other come up. So when her going down she's so low and back down I was like when I left but think I don't know, I feel bad either way because I was like I want to fucking finish this. Yeah. Yeah, we're like almost halfway to the top, or more than halfway, so I don't want to go down.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I have that bad habit of like running ahead. If I don't, I feel I'm not weighed down, if my backpack doesn't weigh like if I'm not loaded down with climbing gear, I have the tendency to just run ahead like a scout ahead. Legless situation, I guess. Oh, just like. Oh, the red dawn is rising.

Speaker 3:

So, anyways, kelsey went back. I caught up with you, but my phone was dead.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we couldn't call anybody.

Speaker 3:

So nobody knew that we were going to the top. So by the time me and him got to the top, first of all fucking one of the prettiest things I've ever seen.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, gorgeous. You could see everything, the valley, you could see across the little town, the town, way over like miles of the fucking mountains that are separated in the United States of Mexico.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

It was wild.

Speaker 3:

But the craziest shit is when we we fucking summited. This shit is the mountains in the background that you didn't, couldn't even see, because the mountain that we had summited was like blocking, it was just like continuous mountains. After that it's pretty crazy. But anyways, no-transcript. So I didn't have my phone, I had my camera. So I just started shooting like photos from up top Me and him had. We didn't take a trail up top, so we had no clue how to fucking get down, other than just find our way down.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I was like oh, there's like a little valley, like a little watershed basically, where all the water kind of pulls down. It's like that'd probably be the easiest way to get down, cause we'd probably be like when in doubt we're just like shimmying down like a crack or something like that, like a big chimney or something.

Speaker 3:

The rocks that were made out of razor blades though. Yeah, yeah, you're not lying.

Speaker 1:

And like you yuckas, like yuckas that were just like taller than me. Eight feet tall blooming.

Speaker 3:

Agaves, that were fucking giant.

Speaker 1:

Cactuses, just all sorts of stuff. We didn't see any like rattlesnakes or anything at that point, but like thank God, I mean there's no reptiles out for so many.

Speaker 3:

Nobody would have known we were at cause we were. Yeah, we were completely away from any fucking trail. But like I mean, you know how it is like out there, it's not like you're just walking through the woods, like it's just kind of open, you gotta. You know you can walk your way into a bad fucking spot.

Speaker 1:

You've got some point of view to a degree where you're like you can see what's out there, versus like having tree cover where you don't know if there's this huge giant drop off. Yeah, like the.

Speaker 3:

Ozarks you're gonna, you might run into a fucking just bluff and you're like fuck.

Speaker 1:

Oh no, I'm rim rocked yeah.

Speaker 3:

Whoopee Well. So speaking of that, on the way up, I think there was a couple of times we had to use fucking rope to get around.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there was a couple of times where I like I went ahead of you and we like kind of just like hip belayed, like old school style, just like, oh yeah, we should like rope up, at least for this little section, cause it was just like beyond fifth class, scrambling Like it was soloing and scrambling to a degree where it was just like, okay, we, you have to make a decent move in order to get up to this next shelf and if, like, if you did blow it, there is like some consequences, that's gonna happen.

Speaker 3:

You're not gonna stop rolling for a minute, dude, I'm fucking hiking with my camera equipment, so like I got that weird shift that could happen, Shifting stuff and but I'll try to fucking remember to add some photos from that, cause that shit from up top was crazy, oh, but I felt very like me and you had like a moment when we got to the bottom, like of achievement.

Speaker 4:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:

But I felt very like underwhelmed, or everybody was like didn't give a fuck when we got to the bottom, just me, and you knew what we just went there Like only you and I knew exactly the struggle that it took to get to where we were.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And what we saw cause it was just like a experience between the both of us and the rest of the crew were just like, yeah, we just kind of were bored and sat around at the base because we were supposed to do something else and I remember the best thing is we got back to your trek and we like went back and we were like what do we have to eat? And then we were like the, the dull pineapple juice.

Speaker 1:

We had the tiny little cans of dull and we were just like shook it up and we were like, oh my God, fruit juice like this is so delicious.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I went to Sam's and got like a whole case of fucking pineapple juice. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

We're like what do we need for this camping trip? Pineapple juice.

Speaker 3:

Dude, hit you that vitamin and tiny cans I do. I take those to festivals too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, they're good. You can drink cold or a bunch of vitamins. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 3:

It like eventually will make the inside of your mouth roll. But yeah, there's like like a fiberglass like fibers of pineapple.

Speaker 1:

It's basically like the dip of fruit.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you could like dip your fucking hand in there and eventually be just bone yeah.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, you take your skin off, eat your skin away. Yeah, slowly but surely.

Speaker 3:

But yeah, long story short that was kind of when you're like you're hard on for fucking climbing.

Speaker 1:

Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, at least the idea of like starting, of like you're devoting a serious time to it and really exploring them, like because it's definitely like a very freeing and thoughtless experience other than like what's going on in the now and like your body presence, like you're in your body and you're not really thinking about anything else other than like your surroundings, what you're doing and where you're trying to go, yeah, and there's something like really pure about that.

Speaker 3:

I mean, I think that climbing or whatever sort of like recreational thing that you can get into art not only have to be like physically recreational, but being able to get into a mental space that takes you out of your like day to day life, I think is huge. Yeah, some sort of like to get in the zone.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like a personal flow experience or just finding flow in general and like a certain, like passion, having passion. Is passion Really Finding something that's purely for yourself? And like the whatever collective tribe that you are sharing that experience with, whether it be like a group activity or like a solo experience. It's about finding that like passion that drives something to just kind of like pour yourself into you.

Speaker 3:

I mean I think that's why I like after high school I continued to play basketball, because I think that was like really the only thing that kind of gave me that like no matter what was going on in my life a couple hours out of the fucking night, I can just be completely in that zone. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

I'm not thinking about like what bills I have to play or like what situation going on with girls Like I'm like in the fucking basketball zone or in a zone you don't know, crossing over all that stuff, you're just like on it, you're not thinking about it.

Speaker 3:

But that's how, like climbing and I yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. What I'm getting at is I think everybody needs something like that.

Speaker 1:

It's completely fucking great yeah yeah, well, like, definitely, like I feel like part of life is experience, like that's all that life is, is one giant experience, and like if you don't have something, that's like you take pride in experiencing that you're not forced to experience, that you're not asked to experience. You're choosing to experience like then it's enriching your life, like you're able to go do something for yourself that is like for your life that you want to do. You're not being asked to or like needed to.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I don't know. I feel like you know, life fucking catches up to us so fast. It was hard to like stay in that play zone for most people.

Speaker 1:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really hard to like. Justify playing as much as you want to play you know, I think it's healthy though, man?

Speaker 3:

Oh, it definitely is.

Speaker 1:

Like and if there's different ways that you can implement, like playing into, like even work life, like whether that be like making like a co-worker connection that you guys could joke, or like have a slight competition if you're doing like repetitive work, Like oh.

Speaker 1:

I can do like let's have a little like one off, can I do this faster? Or something like that. Like trying to make what you do on the day to day fun, yeah, like in some sort of like like yeah, yeah, yeah, hype mode, you know like, yeah, you did that really good. Today I saw you busting your ass or whatever you know, or like.

Speaker 3:

So that's a good point. So when Wyatt got out of high school, you worked at a factory. How, what like your day to day to keep you from going insane, like were you like in a certain mindset to keep you like chugging along, or like what was your? You just thinking about that money? Or how did what kept you like cooking?

Speaker 4:

I would make little games, like he was talking about throughout the day.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

With different tasks that had to be done, I would make some kind of game out of it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, game of fire, yeah, yeah. So I fucking hurt my knee while back playing basketball, but before that we have a Peloton and there's a mode on there that is a video game and you ride the bike and by achieving Like a VR type situation, Type of thing Like and you. You move the bike left or right via speed.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 3:

Like you're trying to achieve like a certain like thing, and to go right, you have to go faster to go left. You slow down, but you like crank the resistance.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you like crank it up so like, oh, I need to like go faster at a higher angle or whatever.

Speaker 3:

It's not my favorite thing on there, but it does like kind of take you out of the fact of the suck of fucking going hard at shit.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, suffer the suffer.

Speaker 3:

So you're at least like playing along with it. I could see how, like if you really got disciplined about like trying to achieve a score or some shit like it could work for some people. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

It's definitely like a really good coping mechanism for like learning how to suffer Like and that's another thing is like no matter like where you're at in life, like financially or like job security wise, there's going to be times where you suffer and like those are your lows, and you got to learn how to turn those lows into like at least doable times where you're not like gonna give up. So you've got to like kind of like play a little game to help you get through the suffering and the suck in your brain. And then afterwards you're like yeah, I made it through that and it wasn't so bad, and I remember it kind of fondly because I was just like trying to do it and I got through it and like you're a better, stronger person that way for like knowing how to get through the suffer and enjoy it you know, it's like distance runners.

Speaker 4:

they'll pick a spot out in front of them and say, hey, I'm going to make it to there and you just keep on doing that, making it a challenge for yourself. That's a good point.

Speaker 3:

I mean, dude, I, that fucking discipline is a bitch regardless, like I mean, we haven't put out a podcast in a couple of months just for the fact that I fucking get so tired of editing this bitch. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:

It's not like I don't fucking love it and I love talking to people. What it's like, you know, editing the video, the audio is pretty easy, the video is gets old and so you know that's. Y'all might notice we don't have our headphones on. We had a little fucking glitch. So we're back there and you got to adapt. That's another thing is, you have to adjust and adapt.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there was this. There's this moment. Like me and my dad, I had this little like side thing where we are doing like a little music venue and I had to like paint the sign on the roof or whatever to say what our venue's name was, and he got this little side ladder out and I like was trying to climb up on the roof and like the ladder kicked out and he dropped it and I was just kind of hanging there and he said it's Arkansas, but you got to adapt. I was just like what does that mean, dad?

Speaker 3:

Dude some of your stories about your dad.

Speaker 4:

Sid right, this is Sid, yeah, sid.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, some of your stories is like half of that shit is like some of the stuff that I've heard you tell me, or Mark tell me. Yeah. That he says is almost like the most like stereotypical, like Arkansas sayings.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Like hallmark cards from Arkansas. Yeah, you don't know.

Speaker 1:

It's just like a lot of like common knowledge, like quips. And just like a lot of hard learned life lessons and like we I mean he went through it and like I went through it to my own we all go through it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and he was really relatable and offered like a lot of advice and was really helpful, but it was always just really like again hallmark movie moments and just like postcard moments and stuff like that, or just like living memes, just like real quick things that you wouldn't even think of, that he's just like yeah, we can rig it this way and then or like it's alright, you know it's gonna be this way or that.

Speaker 3:

You never know which way the leaves gonna fall, if the some weird saying and it just be like, wow, dude, that makes a lot of sense actually, you know yeah, well, I mean the fact that, like the vibe, I you know, I only know him kind of like I've met him a few times, but the the vibe, he's always given off as like he kind of sees he can find the positives and different situations. Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1:

It definitely, like always tries to find the light in a situation, because if you're not, then what are you doing? Right why are you? You're really not looking towards a better minute. You're looking at either falling in the hole or like just submitting, like he definitely has a higher outlook on looking forward, instead of like dwelling in the past or like really letting things affect you because, like, all in all, it's gonna get better, like you've got to try. Yeah, it's like you've got to. You got to see that, or you're not trying, you know.

Speaker 3:

So like um to kind of get back to to climbing, or or you were passionate for climbing. Um to give some like context, like you've, since of went and like became like pretty good, but you've gotten like kind of like partnerships with native, like a brand, yeah, like yeah, and I think it also comes back from like.

Speaker 1:

Um, just like I think borderline helped me a lot with learning how to network and stuff like that and recognize and try to partner, like help local businesses and brands and stuff like that with like as much as possible, because we're all like representing our state and stuff like that.

Speaker 1:

So I kind of like took that to heart and like like really went out there and like again I started climbing pretty hard and and just going out there and a lot of what I do is developing areas that people don't go um, and sometimes either, like it backfires on me sometimes like some people don't like me taking pictures of places and that I'm climbing and stuff like that and posting it and everything like that. But really, ultimately, what I'm trying to do is bring like attention to our state or a different, like a different outlook. Like people don't realize like what's going on here. Um, when it comes to uh, that like people are super. Northwest Arkansas is just like, hands down, one of the most renowned like mountain bike, like mtb locations for like downhill and paga and like all over like Fayetteville and Bentonville area and stuff like that, and like we're also known for a lot more other outdoor recreation, things that are more extreme than people realize yeah that's going on in our state.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I love that and I was just like, yeah, I like that. A lot like this needs to be shown, like people need to realize that there's a scene here and like there's a, like you were saying, with like native and and lives in, and like I worked with Gearhead and Beard to Go and a bunch of other just like local Arkansas brands to help them showcase like what's going on in our state, you know well, it's cool that, um, you know they've kind of worked with you.

Speaker 3:

But it's also like they understand like the more that other people see you climbing, you know they kind of promote the outdoor space in general oh yeah for sure but like, even with the state, like the state, the Arkansas ambassador program, like they want people to know like climbing's a thing in.

Speaker 1:

Arkansas, you know, mm-hmm, oh, it's like horseshoe. Hell too yeah like that's like on redbull tv and it's like world-renowned people come from all over the world to come to Arkansas and just like throw down and suffer for three days.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's there's still a huge like. Still a lot of population doesn't know that even exists. Unless you're like within that space, you know, people don't, the casual person doesn't know there's a world class like climbing event in Arkansas. You know what I mean. So that's people like you.

Speaker 1:

You know it's that's where you're at like trying to get a little light on it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, a little flashlight, yeah but uh, you know, your passion for climbing is not maybe the climbing's new, but your passion for just trying new things is not new oh, no, no so like I've watched you play music yeah, you're fucking great at that, I've watched you fucking skateboard.

Speaker 3:

You're badass at that so like I've seen a lot of your uh art. You're fucking a great artist. So, like you know, I feel like me and you kind of vibe on this level where it's like we like to try things until something really fucking grabs us. Yeah, you know what? I mean and um, I mean, since we started this podcast I've kind of preached just fucking trash shit you know, because a lot of people get like stuck at home doing the same basic as shit when, like you can, just continuously you don't, then if you spend a weekend fucking mountain biking, you hate it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, fuck, you know all right, move on.

Speaker 1:

You don't like it, that's not your cup of tea, but like you won't never know until you try it. Yeah exactly you don't. You don't know what it like and again you've got to try other things and especially if you don't have like one of those passion projects or like something and you feel like a void or something like that, you got to start like allowing yourself to be open to falling in love again with something that you want to do, instead of like being scared of failing, like that's.

Speaker 1:

The biggest crippling thing is like oh, it'd be really cool if I could mountain bike. But they like want that instant gratification of like wanting to be like a black diamond trail fucking mountain biker and it's like no, you need to just like go have a good experience, like take it slow kind of like, introduce yourself to it and be open to the idea of like. Yeah, I might not be the best at this right now, but was it fun? Like did?

Speaker 1:

did you blank out? Did you just like have a good time? Did you like feel alive, like did it spark joy? You know what I'm saying. Like you've got to be open to the idea of trying things, or like doing a different hobby, or at least like allowing your ex, that yourself, to explore options that are that are given to you, you know well, I feel like with the popular idea of social media, a lot of that has exploded with new recreational sports.

Speaker 3:

Not new recreational sports, but people trying recreational sports, whether that be because they're like chasing some sort of like clout, they want to look cool for something you know, albeit if you're getting healthier, because now you're working out, because you want to start a workout channel yeah yeah, all right, I mean, maybe you're the reason you started is not the best reason, but yeah you're getting healthier, you know, so that's a good thing.

Speaker 3:

Like I guess you could look at social media on the other end, where you get locked in the consumer mode, where you're just sitting at home like looking at other people shit that's a bad part of it, but um, I mean, I would say, like the outdoor activity, like space is exploded, but because of social media, like oh yeah hiking like all that shit is exploded, you know. So, whatever, whatever fucking tickles your fancy, just try it like you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you know and and again, information's in your hand, like, if you don't, there are sources out there, like Google is a powerful tool, like again like reels and tick talk and stuff like that usually you can do like a follow-up link or something like look at the hashtags, find something in your area, like hire a guide, or like go to a specialized area, or like reach out to like forums or local community pages and just like go link up with somebody and give it a shot, you know well, I mean, I know when I started photography that I was trying to find the coolest shit in Arkansas, but she, and like I, found it through social media to see and like I go to Spluff or somewhere like that and I was like I gotta fucking go there.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, reach out. Talk to people like send them a message.

Speaker 1:

Be like hey, man, next time you go out, let me know like I would love to tag along.

Speaker 1:

You know, most most likely, like people are gonna either be like you're gonna get yes or no, and like either a no and you're like, oh yeah, and you keep trying, or like you get a yes, you go out and you have an experience and again, like that guy that was that picked me up and took me to Sam's throw and it taught me how to like rope.

Speaker 1:

You know, I was just like I had no idea, I was scared, dude, I didn't know, I didn't know if he was gonna push me to go solo. Something that I had was out of my range, and he was just like and be like, yeah, follow me up this way. And then, like I had no idea what I was getting into you, but I was just like, okay, I am gonna go climb, I'm gonna go to this place and climb and this guy is gonna be there with me yeah, I mean yeah, even if you don't go as far as like connecting with people as in like I'm gonna meet you, at least reach out and figure out how you can do whatever that may be like yeah ask questions.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I mean people like talking about their passion, like exactly you know, I mean they're gonna if this person is about as fucking guitarist or whatever and you say how do I? You know what is a good starter guitar? They're gonna fucking you know, unless they're just straight up assholes and yeah just too big.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exactly like they're gonna be nice if you're like look into, like get guitar lessons, don't like slide into jack whites dms and be like hey man, do you know anywhere in Arkansas I? Can get a guitar lesson. What do you know?

Speaker 3:

that's a different caliber to give two examples like I've when I was starting up photography, I messaged Jeff Rose yeah, I like connected with him right and on the opposite end, I have definitely like people hit me up about locations or whatever, and I've yeah gave them the same shit, like camera gear, whatever. I fucking relay the same shit. I have no clue these people are. Yeah, it doesn't matter, you know man, there's a beautiful waterfall.

Speaker 1:

How did you get there? I would love to go take a shot, or?

Speaker 3:

like. I'm from Mississippi. We're coming to Arkansas two weekends from now. Where should we go? Yeah, you know how many times that's happened to me and it's just like, I'll give them a list of places exactly, you know it's no big deal. I mean, you're fucking litter rock. You were like where should I go eat?

Speaker 1:

yeah, I just like I know we know each other, but you know I'm down here for some like side gig and then I'm just like, hey, man, top three restaurants downtown go, like you know, yeah, to anybody. I know that's from the area.

Speaker 3:

It's like you just got to ask questions and and look for the experience that you're wanting to have yeah because it's out there like so different pathways out there for you find so, um, I don't know if this is like a sort of subject or not, but, um, um, you're, you're past, like for you and playing music.

Speaker 1:

You were in a band, right, yeah, yeah, I was in a band, a decent band, yeah, right, y'all were like yeah, traveling and doing the thing and and touring, and every weekend going to, like, different states and traveling all over the place.

Speaker 3:

I mean like, and that's like, but even just say y'all were low level doing that right, that's still top 1% of people even getting to do that you know I mean. So what have that experienced you have you carry like as a impactful part of your. You know past that's touches you today. Is any of that carry over?

Speaker 1:

you know what I mean yeah, definitely like the way I interact.

Speaker 1:

Being a musician and traveling, you run into a full spectrum of people, especially if you're like going outside of like your city, if you go outside of your state, if you go outside of your country, like you are going to experience different calibers of people, different cultures, different economical classes and they're going to talk to you.

Speaker 1:

Like if you're open to talking to them, you know, if you close yourself off, hide in a corner and just like not leave your house, like you're not going to have these experiences.

Speaker 1:

But the biggest thing was just like realizing how big the world was, how much other things are going on, realizing subcultures, like different genres of music, people like there's people that are like, say, you're like in a punk rock band and stuff like that, hardcore music, like there's a whole different subculture, there's tours and festivals that are based around just that and you could just that. There's just different worlds, like it's basically like different, like multiverses going on and there's the same life that you're living and it was a really a big sample of what the world is about and like different landscapes and just traveling and just falling in love with the fact that we are all like so different, doing different things, but we're all connected at the same time, like especially with music. Man, it's just like you show up and then it's just different people from different walks of life, and they're all there, just hang out listening to music.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's a fucking great like point to bring up is like the multiverse thing. Yeah, the multiverse, I'm not like a a fucking marvel movie guy but, that you can't say it better than that, because like everybody's living their own like weird little life you know what I mean it's wild and yeah well, I was talking to mary kate about this other day is like how we, we kind of form our personalities around our experiences.

Speaker 3:

You're from mountain home which mountain home to most people around, the fucking country is a small town to me it's a big town yeah because I'm from a smaller town. Yeah, but I lived in bigger towns and then moved to a small town so I had some culture before I even got to the small town.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that like culture experience for you was kind of the opposite where, like you came out of mountain home, you got to experience all these new people and stuff like that which kind of like opens your mind to like things are okay outside of my normal life yeah, you know what I mean and until you like get to have those experiences, you get kind of like comfortable, like this is how life should be, because this is the only thing I've known yeah, the square, like you've got, like this small little box that you think you have to occupy, and if you don't, then you're not fulfilling your need, right like, if you go outside that box, like outside that square.

Speaker 1:

You're like man, I could draw my own square if I really wanted to.

Speaker 3:

Well, like, for example and this is kind of a weird example, but like I moved From Little Rock to Memphis, to Mount Vernon, mm-hmm.

Speaker 4:

Boom, boom.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, no black kids in Mount Vernon. Yeah, when I just went from a school that it was like half 50 percent. And, like you know the opposite, when the kids are only from that small town, they don't, they've never been around black kids, yeah, so you, you don't realize like. You kind of like live in your life and things are weird to you because you've never been around it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, there's no like gay people in your town or that you at least talk to yeah, so you're like gay, you're bumping in it and the things you've never experienced. Yeah. So now you think gay stuff is weird because you, you just feel uncomfortable yeah. Whatever? You know, I'm trying to say, and it's like that, those big like Getting out of that fucking box is huge for people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

But, um, and it's hard for people too, a lot of people just don't want to leave the box because, like you're saying, it's like, it's like an unknown, it's uncomfortable to go outside of, like even getting near the freaking edge of the box, like, so they try to stay as close to the center as possible.

Speaker 1:

Yeah and like what? I guess, if that's your prerogative, if that's your passion, like whatever. But the thing that was with the music that you were talking about, it's like entoring and everything. It just showed me like how infinite the box can be. You know like why is there even a box? There is no box, like we're all just trying to figure out what shape life actually is.

Speaker 4:

You know the type of music did y'all play?

Speaker 1:

um the one that we did the most touring with. We were like a full rock fusion kind of band with like a sprinkler bluegrass yeah. I kind of, I guess, like hamper, um, what's that? Two strangers in the bright light, the revolutionists, or something like that?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, kind of like them a little bit too kind of all like yeah, we would have like.

Speaker 1:

We'd have little get down sessions with like fiddle breaks, but we'd also have like rip and electric guitar solos and like get down groove beats and like that's cool different, like vocalized, like harmonic vocals and stuff like that where we would harmonize. It was fun. But I was also like in a touring hardcore band at one point where I played like hard Drop tuning guitar and screamed into a mic for a while, went to Memphis a lot and like Mississippi and just was like throwing down screaming. I wouldn't be able to talk every night it was wild.

Speaker 3:

I'll try to add the video in my In the youtube video, but I have. When we went to Moab, we went to this little bar that there was like three guys playing music up on this little stage and I don't know if we.

Speaker 1:

It was probably a mark thing.

Speaker 3:

He was probably like hey this guy's good, I'm gonna play a song Into it, or did we talk you into it?

Speaker 1:

You guys were talking to me into doing a lot of things on that trip.

Speaker 3:

It was, I know, but did we have to like convince them to let you try?

Speaker 1:

No, it was more so. Just like you guys were like pushing me to do it. They were down. We had a conversation about like the lady that was playing bass Was talking about. We said something about Arkansas and then she was like oh, horseshoe canyon. And we're like oh my gosh, you know she's like hand jams are my jam and we're like and they're like he plays.

Speaker 1:

They're like he plays and like, oh, come up here and play, like I don't know about that man, you guys were like oh yeah, I just go do it, man, go do it.

Speaker 3:

anyways, I'll add the video. He fucking killed it so.

Speaker 1:

Chris is uh, they like jumped in and we're like playing links and stuff. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3:

You'll play the song. Oh yeah, some song, and I remember, oh, that was a cool experience. But um, I also saw you play like a solo gig at that barbershop that used to be in mountain home. Oh yeah, you like opened up the mullet.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it was like a barbershop and then on the weekends, in the back of the barbershop, they would open up to be a music venue.

Speaker 2:

It was the perfect Big venue name actually pretty fucking it was like a business in the front, literally party in the back.

Speaker 1:

They. The venue was the mullet. Oh, it was really good. It was a pretty. You have to turn the TV right. A little little venue is fun.

Speaker 3:

But yeah, that was actually pretty, pretty sick. I Guess the pandemic killed the police.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and mark, not mark, but a Bruce. That owner of that Barbershop ended up moving up to Chicago and working in a barbershop up there, but it was a pretty rad little joint is funny.

Speaker 3:

I don't know, it's just that big whole thing was about just like passion for you, correct? He's already drinking a while back up there. Oh no, it's all good dude.

Speaker 1:

I'll just why. Sure man, I love all the little pooches, but no, it was. It was a really good experience being able to play music and stuff and I kind of have a Hard time playing music anymore. It won it's. I guess I'm just lazy and it's just.

Speaker 1:

It's a bit of a hassle because usually I'm the guy that brings both the sound equipment, like the PA, and I have to set up and like balance and EQ myself and everything like that and it's kind of a hassle and a lot to move.

Speaker 1:

It's a lot of work and, like the whole touring band, the biggest reason why I like I ended up leaving that band I left before they broke up was because, like the other guitarist and it died in a car wreck and Like usually it was me, luke Gessner, which is the the guy that died, and West Dorothy, we would like power write songs and then you know it, just the whole dynamic kind of changed after you know Luke pass and it was just like it was both.

Speaker 1:

It was really hard for me too because like he was the other guitarist, so like me and him balance and like play a lot of like back and forth soloing and like he would like do some like background Swells, while I'd build up with the rhythm and then we would switch lead or something like that. So there was a lot of like stage dynamic that ended up just like vanishing after that point. And then it was Bringing in other backup guitarists or like new people in the band to fill that void and then them bringing a different flavor and then like them working on a different song and then to be equal as a band you kind of have to be a democracy or like a complete oligarchy or or it's not gonna work. So I'm trying to go the democratic route and people would like pitch songs and feelings would get hurt or like certain songs Wouldn't really like Vi, but we'd play him anyway.

Speaker 1:

And then it was just like it started becoming this giant mix of everything that wasn't the original ingredients to the sauce, and then the sauce just kind of broke.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I felt that was well. I Mean, I guess, like a dad Fuck. Yeah change everything.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, and he was like, he was like a brother. You know, after you like spend so many nights in a van or like in a hotel or in a different park parking lot, you know, and Not shower, and like go to venues and play shows where it's literally the band and the bartender and you just got a Glorified practice set. You know you're just playing for nobody.

Speaker 1:

It's there's nights like that and like you don't, that develops like a brotherhood and like once like a chunk of that's gone. You know it's really hard to to recoup and keep the same vibe, you know.

Speaker 1:

I feel that Well, dude, that's fucking oh no, what's what's funny that you bring that up? Because, like recently, like I've kind of been slowly like finding a new, like Kindling what you need to play once in a while again or start songwriting again. I haven't written a new song and quite some time and like Find myself humming a lot more.

Speaker 3:

Will you, if I can I don't know if I can, but you know sit in with the band at the fucking wedding place. A song Maybe, I don't know if they're down with that, but I'm the fucking groom. I could probably.

Speaker 1:

I'll write a nice little sweet, sweet song, I mean you can just fucking. About.

Speaker 3:

Cody face and it sing with us or sing. I'm gonna make Cody sing me a fucking mr Jones.

Speaker 4:

Think you should revert to your screamo days for his band.

Speaker 1:

Oh man yeah just coming with something real heavy and be like.

Speaker 4:

I want to see this place split up between the bride and the groom's family. We're gonna smash together. Let's open this pit up.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, well, I hope this fucking bands live. This all I can say because um yeah, that's all I got. By the way, yeah, I can't wait. You need to be married, yeah that's all I'm really worried about is having a good I feel like this is the whole and making sure nothing really bad happens yeah what bad kid. Yeah, I fuck it even then, Fuck it.

Speaker 1:

You all are getting married, and that's all that matters that day exactly.

Speaker 3:

Why it's gonna be delivered to life there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's gonna happen. Are you ready, you ready? Have you started having dreams. Yet I'm sure you've got a lot of dreams about my wedding. You got a premonitions coming up, man. You know you like some sort of Oracle that we don't know about.

Speaker 3:

Why it's gonna find him a Stripper at the bros arcs also, like those are actually man.

Speaker 1:

It used to be this strip joint just in the Missouri border called the rusty rail man and and like that's, it sounds gross. Yeah, dude, it was just it was like just inside the border in Missouri.

Speaker 3:

We'll drop all things were legal, drop what off on the way and picking up four days later on the way back, you see, like how was it man? I slept in the dumpster tonight. I'll drop you off. You want it.

Speaker 4:

What city? Just curious I.

Speaker 1:

Want to say it was close to like Gainesville or something like that. It was out, it was just past the border, so like maybe the adosha or something like that.

Speaker 3:

I have no clue. I can do these places, all right, but oh yeah, so, man, that's a.

Speaker 1:

That's a wild country out there, man.

Speaker 3:

All right, bro, I'm glad you Agreed to do this. We I think I talked to you about you or Amber, which one? But about doing this like fucking last summer.

Speaker 1:

So oh, yeah, I just. I just don't get out to like urban spaces a lot. A lot of the times I'm either out in the middle of nowhere in wilderness area or I'm at home taking care of the babes.

Speaker 3:

You're out right now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

I'm a dad right now. Man, oh, oh.

Speaker 1:

Here's a bridge with my brother last night. Yeah, once of the climbing gym you got some some reps in.

Speaker 3:

yeah, before we get off here, I want Wyatt to look up a fucking crazy. That's news story.

Speaker 4:

Oh. You're funny news You're a papa. So this my papa.

Speaker 3:

It's not funny, do you?

Speaker 1:

see the fucking. We're about to look up Ohio right now.

Speaker 3:

Are crazy stuff, our Kelly's sentence.

Speaker 1:

Are Kelly's sentence for piano or Jillian?

Speaker 3:

That's my rap, man.

Speaker 1:

For that, the girls, the girls right, the underage girls back in the day, the whole it should just be me ask him happen today. R Kelly already serving 30 years for sex trafficking sentence. 20 years in federal charm.

Speaker 4:

What.

Speaker 3:

He's gone in he's gone, he's forever hiding in the closet child sex crimes. All right, not to get too fucking In the fucking black right here.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great way to end the episode. Great way to end the episode heated hot topic.

Speaker 3:

What the fuck Cuz? Like you, I Don't know. I Wish I honestly like how to filter on my eyes, like how I don't know, like I need to know that this stuff exists, but also like Just brings a fucking he was to your day.

Speaker 1:

He was, he was this, this child's godfather.

Speaker 3:

It's always somebody it's, it was.

Speaker 1:

It was a video of him abusing a 14 year old goddaughter. So who? Who let mr Kelly be their godfather?

Speaker 3:

Well, I'm sure that he had funds.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, money does do a lot of things for people.

Speaker 3:

It was your father and, like it, a father of a Female baby.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, little girl violent mayhem I.

Speaker 3:

Mean dude, is that even like a like? How are you like? Like I almost don't even want to have children because of shit like this?

Speaker 1:

Oh, yeah, it's definitely scary thinking about what another person can do to your daughter.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh yeah, definitely, like it's very hard to.

Speaker 1:

I guess it really it really boils down to how much like you're privy to the everyday fears of being a woman.

Speaker 1:

Like they live with way more intrusive thoughts and security issues and Just safety issues, and being comfortable in spaces and having to worry about certain things happening to them that we are not aware of, aware of, and if you are aware of them, yeah, it does scare me as, like the father of a daughter, like, yeah, it's very scary, but also, like I Mean you, there's only so much you can do in life to protect somebody from something, and like the best you can do is the best you Can do, and like, yeah, if something were to happen like that, I'd be friggin live it, dude.

Speaker 1:

I'd just be like bloodlust, like wanting you know justice to be served, but Whether or not you allow yourself to be concerned, like consumed with worries and let that actually affect the way you raise, and like Deal with, like your daughter or like her interactions with people, and like let it, if there's a point of letting it cripple you with fear and letting it just like blind you the anger, and like letting it overwhelm you, or just like being aware of it and being conscious of it and not allowing it to try to affect the way that you like raise them or like allow them to experience life, because it sucks.

Speaker 1:

But, like I want to have the most like trust in people, like yeah, like yeah, she's whatever, and stuff like that. But I'm also very aware and observant of, like certain situations and body language and stuff like that. Like just be aware of it, like be aware of the words people say when referring to like young women or like how they talk about young people. Like oh, she's a very beautiful young girl, like oh, you should cover her up, and stuff like that. Like if you're observing like a mid-drift on a woman and like pointing it out on a young lady, like you're obviously sexualizing them to a degree, like if that's, like if you're, if somebody's telling you to cover them up, and like be like, oh, they're so beautiful and stuff like that that's a little triggering like to me.

Speaker 1:

Like just seeing, like it just happens on a day to day, I'll see things and it'll bother me, bother me, and it ends up being like obvious, like there's stuff that you can be aware of and different little social cues that people say that can like allow you to like be aware of them. But ultimately what I, what I think about that is just like it's crazy how much like power and money can blind people and let them get away with certain things, and it's kind of sickening.

Speaker 3:

But yeah, I mean talking about being aware, like. So I feel like you know I'm 32 as of january yeah 31 man, yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3:

So do you know, like years of me like having girlfriends and shit, like I know like girls are going to get hit on, like people are going to hit on girls, like, whether that be like on instagram or like maybe they're out with their friends when they get hit on that doesn't fuck with me, yeah, but, like you know, I do, like, am confused because I feel like I you know, I try hard to be respectful when I'm in public say I think a girl's attractive, yeah, but she's standing there with her man, yeah, you know, I feel like the most respectful thing to do is, like you know, not augle google, yeah, and just like damn, but you still like I'll be me and mary kidder, but like walking across fucking target and these like old dudes will just be like looking at mary kate and I'm like, right here I have some kate slapping the

Speaker 1:

dude I wanted to like have some kuth man yeah, and it's like I understand, maybe you think she's pretty, but like yeah, yeah, but then again, it's like it's seeing something like that, like you recognize that that's something that they have to deal with, that's a fear that they have to worry about and you can see that and like kind of like, choose to be like, oh like.

Speaker 1:

You see, like some guy looking at your little sister or your little cousin that you're hanging out with and you're like what the heck? Just stand on the other side, block their view, look at him back, check them out, give them a always look at the dudes.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, straighten the like your lips a little bit like what's up, dad you know my thing is like see they're looking at her. I'll look at him straight in the face, so as soon as they look up at me, they already know about. You caught him yeah that's good, yeah, but I mean I know that's like. Girls are very good at like not even fucking make an eye contact with like.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, they have to like fucking like them out, like, just like, and pc them to where they they're.

Speaker 3:

Just not it, none existent, just they know, like any openness to like, be in any sort of like opening to like them. Maybe saying something to the guy would fucking do it. Hop on it, yeah see they're avoiding it in that situation and you're looking yeah, well, I want them for a conflict, kind of I want them to know that they're being weird you know, yeah, yeah, yeah like you shouldn't get away with this shit, because yeah, at all, like if I wasn't here, like how you know what are they doing?

Speaker 1:

if this is just like a strange aunt that was hanging next to you, like somebody like an older lady, or even like you or me. Like are you gonna act that way to somebody you don't know? Like fucking talk to me first. Like if I choose to talk to you, that's when you talk to me. Like make a connection. Don't be like I ball in me down and then expect that, like I owe you some sort of attention for some some like unknown reason. Like I mean, I you can feel that between people. Like it's like an energy wave.

Speaker 3:

You're just like why is this person just like shooting their beam at my girl right now, man, what's up, and I feel like I was like an average dude, like I feel like I'm probably a little more intimidating. Just, oh, on my size. Yeah, you're tall than anything, so like the fucking nuts that these motherfuckers have yeah you know, I mean like to be doing that when, like you know, I could fucking karate chop these motherfuckers. You know, and like I know, that they're feeling slowly getting worse, like I feel.

Speaker 1:

Like back in the day it was kind of like more of like a respect respect thing but now it's just like I feel like snapchat might be a little bit to do with that, like it's a little bit just social media in general.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, social media in general, like you have the ability to contact and just delete conversation and just fucking and just like and look at people without them knowing you're looking at them and there's just so much room for deception and like there's so much media out there where, like people that do slide in, win sometimes and vice versa and things don't work out and like there, could you imagine? Like make up the story in the brain where, like the other person's not happy, and they justify it, or something like it's just wow, what people think they can do these days man christ just moved everything in there.

Speaker 3:

Could you imagine the fucking weirdness of if instagram allowed girls to see who's viewing their profile? I wish they would.

Speaker 1:

I wish they would too I wish you'd be able to see anybody that looks at your shit you know, crazy.

Speaker 3:

That would be like yeah, because it could be people that don't even follow them.

Speaker 1:

It could be like the most random, like somebody's like fucking random brother, that they talked to one time, yeah it's just like obsessively looking at their profile everything just looking at it and you have no, and how many times they go back and stuff like that, like revisits that's right I'm sure it actually logs that data, but we just don't have access.

Speaker 3:

Oh, definitely it's fucking putting it in the algorithm oh yeah, if you go to their fucking. Uh, whatever the for you page thing it would show you nuts in there yeah, all right, why? Just so we can get out of this fucking creeper talk. Let's uh, can you look us? Uh, one fucking answer the internet question we'll get out of here also.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I guess all in all like, yeah, it just sucks like how much like men with money and power think they have authority over bodies well, not even that I mean that's.

Speaker 3:

That's another whole, another fucking topic. But, like maria, kate's brother and sister and I don't even want to have kids, because just how crazy the fucking world is wow yeah, me and her like back and forth on it, but it's like it's hard. I mean, it's hard for me to like be like, yeah, it's really hard, it's huge, like undertaking, you know I never.

Speaker 1:

I didn't like. I always thought that I would be a dad. It's I thought I'd be a good dad. I didn't necessarily plan on being a dad. I'm happy I'm a dad, for sure, um, and I'm glad I'm able to like pass on, not genetically, but just like somebody that will like listen to my let like my lessons and the things that I've learned in my wisdom and the different things that I've struggled with and like, hopefully learn how to to navigate life a little bit better and be kinder and like more open and and give other people experience, but like it's scary, like do we need to be procreating, I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Like there I always thought, like I always thought that I would end up adopting before having my own child, because I always thought there was other kids out there that already need help, that need, you know, guidance in the world, um, already on this planet, let alone just making your own yeah, I mean, I don't know, man, like there's a lot of fucking cool shit.

Speaker 3:

You know any, a lot of shit that I think would be cool as well.

Speaker 1:

So it's just like they look like you at all. You're like oh, this is wild man need.

Speaker 3:

Uh, I heard this thing about how the first month and you might you can tell me if you believe this or not but the first month of the child's life the child looks the most like the father.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah so it like, naturally tricks human brains into thinking that it's theirs for sure and they'll stick around yeah, so you don't leave.

Speaker 3:

So you don't leave that yeah, that's so wild.

Speaker 1:

I do believe that, like I I do feel like I feel like violet did. Look, I've seen baby pictures of myself yeah and when she came out she looked like me as a baby, like I was just like, oh, wow, okay that's funny.

Speaker 3:

If I anything cool for this one I'm looking, should I hit this? You haven't asked him our question ask him that question first and then hit this. All right, I'll let you look. All right, chris, what's the big question? I ask every guest this oh and um. Sorry for listeners if we're kind of all over the place. We're trying to get back in the group anyways. Oh, chris, if you could live the life of one person for 24 hours, dead or alive, who would it be and why?

Speaker 3:

oh, man, you only got 24 hours, you can live 24 hours as that person.

Speaker 1:

You can't change it, you just get to experience it.

Speaker 3:

You know, just one day this is a tough question. Oh, dude, that is so everybody's like. I wish you had told me earlier. But I don't want to tell people earlier because I want to get a fucking straight off the down question or answer, because I feel like if I told him earlier it's gonna be too like kind of tailored okay, I have one that's kind of like on the edge, a little bit okay, um, because I don't know if it really happened or not like moon landing oh being on that moon, if it happened, like the first person that landed on the manil arm, strong, like if, if that actually happened, and being the first one on there and like be bopping around on a different to like different terrain, unknown to anybody, experiencing like half gravity and just like the unknown and just like pure, like human exploration at its finest.

Speaker 1:

Like be on any anything like without question like, yeah, you could be like the first person to step on a mountain, but how?

Speaker 4:

do you?

Speaker 1:

really know that you were that first person on the mountain like yeah, maybe someone didn't record it and they did it before, just for the pure self proving, like battle of getting to the top of it. But going to the moon, like yeah, I don't know, I don't. I feel like that is like a very huge mind blowing experience that no one would really be able to, other than like an astronaut that gets together, coming up soon or something going to Mars.

Speaker 1:

You know, that's something that you would never get to experience as like a normal person yeah, I mean, that would be, that would be the whole journey, the whole 24 hours, like getting in this giant freaking bomb that could explode, and it just be like and then feeling all those G's where you're just swarming on top of like this fuel, burning up hundreds of people watching you like I've had those like not probably, definitely not that extreme, but yeah, like when me and my brothers repelled um, hit him in hollow oh, that's a big one, I was like how many people have done this?

Speaker 3:

yeah, you know what I mean oh yeah, it's a fucking 200 foot tall waterfall. Yeah, how many people have fucking dragged a 400 foot rope up there?

Speaker 1:

yeah, and you leave themself off the side of it, just like let's go sport repelling guys whoo that mountain in fucking Arizona. I know we weren't the first people we might not have been the first hundred people maybe the first people with those exact same footsteps that we took.

Speaker 3:

Maybe there you go, but uh, till you look at it yeah, and it's just like just knowing like there may be a fucking thousand people in the history of the world that's been up.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you know, and that's why I like doing what I do, like holy. I'm not necessarily out there climbing all of the arkansas classics. I'm not out there hitting the gyms, the highest grades, unlocking boulder problems. I'm going to places that people don't think about climbing or having gone with the climbing mindset and doing that you know what you fucking missed out on?

Speaker 3:

what when me engage and Dylan and listen went to that volcano oh, the hike up there on top of the volcano. Yeah, just being up there, what was I even doing, man? You were with mark and Kelsey, I don't know why you? Because remember, you probably eaten like italian food or something you wrote with us me engage in my truck, and then we met with mark and kuss and you got in the bus yeah and then like we took a different route out of we were going to the great yeah, we were leaving the grand canyon oh, there is.

Speaker 1:

There is a reason why I didn't go, man, I was um pooping no, I did I.

Speaker 3:

I I was taking a nice little trip that day well, you would have had a great trip on the top of, I bet I would have.

Speaker 1:

Man, I just kind of like got roped into, like being in a cozy space at the time and not wanting to really go outside of that space yeah, I would have loved that though.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I did miss out, but I want to go back there because like we didn't know that it was a volcano until hours after because we didn't have signal. Yeah, we were just like what the fuck is this giant, giant? We thought like maybe a because it was called it. There was a, a fucking eight by sign at the bottom that said sb crater 52 or some sort of made your crash I was like did a fucking me.

Speaker 3:

This is for the kill the dinosaurs. Asteroid fucking land on you and we had like looking back. We were done as fuck because there's black rock everywhere yeah, it's like lava dylan has a piece of lava. What is this? But yeah, um no, I heard um other day, like when the soviet union was crumbling, there was a soviet astronaut in space and they call him the last soviet and they just forgot about him, because no the.

Speaker 3:

The soviet union was fucking, had collapsed and he had nobody to like respond back to you because, yeah, who, yeah, who was he gonna?

Speaker 2:

regime is over so I don't know the full story because it was like a preview of the story, but like I, don't know who's the last one in now.

Speaker 1:

I don't know it was.

Speaker 3:

It was the last soviet base. Yeah, was that he?

Speaker 1:

was up there in the spaceship music yes, soviet rush, and here for motherland, yeah. And then american astronauts bore it and they're like, hey, man, 10 years ago, like did this stuff stopped?

Speaker 3:

why did kody say no armsong? Also kody hawkins, mm-hmm some astronaut, our two, our first fucking nils, winning the the race to who should be who, we should live a life of all right, I know you got one that's.

Speaker 1:

If it happened, though, like I have seen, like supposedly like news, like interviews with him happens interviews with him where he's like none of that happened, they didn't, faked it all, like you're talking about hollywood. And he's just like denied, denied, denied. Buzz aldrin does. I think that's who it is, who's just like no, none of this happened, it's all fake was that like on his deathbed or something like?

Speaker 4:

that no it's just like publicly publicly he would do interviews.

Speaker 1:

And publicly, um, he would do interviews and casually just be like no, it's not real, just like drop all these things, all this knowledge about like no, that didn't happen. That was recorded they want you to believe it. It was all just CGI or whatever. It's like man.

Speaker 4:

And then they're like, oh, he's just kind of getting old, yeah this one's kind of dark, but this is the only good one I could find. It's not funny at all. I couldn't find a good one.

Speaker 1:

Oh, during. Are these, would you rather's?

Speaker 1:

yeah so during uh 24, I competed last year in hell and during hell, uh, the president of the climber coalition was like would come over and hang out with us and he was like playing would you rather with us the entire time? They again to help us suffer because, like, you're climbing, if you're trying, you're climbing like a dozen routes and like an hour. You know you're just going and going and going and climbing and climbing, climbing all night for 24 hours. And so he like would come by periodically and be like hey guys, what's up? You know you need water, blah, blah, blah. We're like no, we're good, all right, let's play, would you rather? And we would just sit there and just play, would you rather? For like a good hour and a half he's like all right, I'm gonna go crash out of camp.

Speaker 4:

Guys, keep it up and just disappear do you remember a good one from him?

Speaker 1:

um, it was a lot about like certain superpowers, like what superpower would you rather have? And it was just like, or if you could time travel with all the knowledge you know now? Or, um, travel to the future, or something like. It was just like weird little classic, would you rather ones I'd none that really run the bell like stuck with me that much. Again. It was like probably like hour 18 and he's like would you rather do this? And we're just like what is life?

Speaker 3:

you got it you going. I got, I can just go, if you can't.

Speaker 4:

I got some oh he's got it.

Speaker 1:

Dude, let's go he's. Would you rather be able?

Speaker 4:

to tell your past self one thing.

Speaker 1:

You're able to ask your future self one thing would I be able to tell my your past self one thing, or ask your future self one question? Okay, all right.

Speaker 3:

I think I would rather ask my future self a question only because, well, if I could tell my past self something and it changed my life butterfly but if it, if I could just tell them and it doesn't change anything, yeah, then might as well ask the future self so I can start making changes. You're trying to lawyer this thing up, aren't you?

Speaker 1:

you're, you're dealing with the devil at this point. You know what are the stipulations like. Does anything change?

Speaker 4:

if I ask this question. I was just put like an absurd amount of money on one team to win the Super Bowl yeah, maybe that would change my life.

Speaker 3:

But if you were, if you could only say hey, past self, you fucking don't get any skinnier.

Speaker 1:

I think I would ask my okay, here's the thing I think. I would I think I would ask my, I think I'd ask my myself something, my future self a question. Yeah, because they're seeing the future that you're going to be stuck with living right versus, like the past that you've already lived and like could potentially change up to this moment. But you don't know. Butterfly effect, like even if you did change that one thing back then, like where would you be now?

Speaker 1:

you know, but, but you can pre-emptively strike for whatever future self says is going to happen, or like future self is going to be like, because you're it's either way, it's the same thing. You're. You're asking yourself which is going to be future you? A question from the past which is like present you, so you could still do and get anything done that you would want to fix from in your past by doing it in the future. I guess at the same point I would ask my future self yeah, I would. I would say that I think you'd have to.

Speaker 3:

All right, would you rather walk with a roller blade on your left shoe for the rest of your life or have an angry midget walking in front of you slightly slower than you want to go for the rest of your life?

Speaker 1:

roller blade because I'm pretty good on one leg so I could just cruise whenever I want to do, looking like a swan going down the freaking road just like that.

Speaker 3:

It would be, like you know, fucking four inches taller.

Speaker 1:

So like each step, if you're having to walk would be like I walk with some swag.

Speaker 3:

Anyways, dude, I got some little limp in my step anyways, when I'm walking, I mean I would definitely be like yo, bro, get the fuck out of my way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, the midget would annoy me, especially if he's constantly there whenever you walk. That means that guy is in your life, day to day, in your kitchen, walking to the bathroom like he's in front of you in the most intimate moments, like going to your closet from your bed everywhere all right, um two more, um, um, would you?

Speaker 3:

would you rather your mom or your daughter be a porn star? Mom, mom, yeah, thanks yeah you're uh, you're a dad of a daughter, so like yeah, I think we touched on this earlier.

Speaker 1:

I don't think.

Speaker 3:

I want to definitely think mom but, also I would want my mom right now, because, hey, I don't know. No shame in sex workers though at the same time.

Speaker 1:

Like no shame in sex workers, like would I prefer yeah, no, I wouldn't want my daughter doing that. But because you had to deal with it yeah, because I had to deal with it if you could say I wish my mom was a.

Speaker 3:

I wish if I had to choose right now please yeah, because, like you know, if you're like in fucking high school and she's doing it and then you have to deal with that.

Speaker 1:

That would be fucking oh yeah, st like stifler syndrome, you know.

Speaker 4:

Uh, here, mom, I got one, I got one all right would you rather have free house, free food and every single one of your basic needs completely covered for free, or an army of a thousand loyal dwarfs who will do or who will do whatever you command?

Speaker 3:

uh, every free, free stuff, everything made for, yes, the dwarfs will be pretty rad because you could like I would take the thousand slaves, yeah, slaves like maybe then I can take back the, the mountain that I was promised loyal I can get that dragon gold, a thousand dwarfs. Yeah, I could be fucking do you know what business?

Speaker 4:

you know what me business?

Speaker 1:

you wouldn't have to run if everything was paid for though, yeah, you're right you know, and also the responsibility of like taking care of the needs of all these dwarfs. Do you want to deal?

Speaker 3:

with a thousand and every single one of your basic needs yeah, a thousand thousand dwarfs.

Speaker 1:

I do whatever I command yeah, but they're gonna talk to you the whole time. I will take over the fucking world bro, you've got to deal with like PR and like HR and you've got to deal with all their problems if they have dwarf babies and they're like, hey, can we like add four more to the group.

Speaker 4:

You know you're gonna have some screaming dwarfs around, just add into your army that point I would delegate a fucking dwarf manager a dwarf man.

Speaker 3:

You see your supervisor, leave me alone you don't think we get some shit done, if I can we get two more on that power wheel so I can like turn my laptop on. I think I would get some some shit done with a workhorse of a thousand yeah, that'd be pretty rad, I think, if I had one employee we'd be right.

Speaker 1:

I think I've changed and also just because, like having the like knowledge that dwarfs are real and magic can actually exist in the world, and I have a thousand of them like well, if they actually exist, exist man, they're just saying like little oh, they're real, oh I'm thinking like Gimli. I'm thinking about like Gimli and like warriors. I'm talking about like a whole subculture, like underground, like Lord of the Rings style.

Speaker 3:

All right, you're in a band, you were doing a lot of traveling. Here's the last one okay if you came across a glory hole, would you put your penis in it?

Speaker 1:

probably not, man. Okay, because who knows what's like, what's glory for? Is it for pleasure? Is it business? Is it pain like yeah? 100% where's that hole?

Speaker 3:

go. I'm gonna say 100%. There's a dude on the other side. Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 1:

I'm not ready for singularity in a black hole man.

Speaker 3:

I don't think I can. I can do that to my memory also, it's. It would be uh, unless I knew what was going on the other side. That ain't happening, you know name yeah no, but you, why probably not?

Speaker 4:

okay, yeah, I'm glad we agree on this fucking thing all right.

Speaker 1:

Chris, no to glory holes, I think no to glory holes.

Speaker 3:

All right, thanks for coming on, dude, I'm glad we're going to see you, we had some uh scrumptious little dinner earlier, um uh the sushi place the rock and roll sushi rock and roll sushi. Uh, we had a. We had a rocky like a herd cane or yeah, had a mixed drink from their cocktail menu.

Speaker 1:

Some herd and a flyway had a flyway flyways fire local brewery kind of level.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, all right bro. Yeah, see you, man, yeah.